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Commission on the role of local councillors

Welcome to our forum. We’ve had a terrific response so far and the comments we have received confirm for me how passionately people feel about the role councillors play on behalf of the communities they represent. Please keep your comments coming.

Our question this month is: “Is it possible to be a councillor and have a life?”

How can a councillor best balance the duties that come with the role with their other commitments and responsibilities such as work, family and social life? Up and down the country new councillors will now be settling in and finding their feet after the May elections and coming to terms with what the job entails. Many will be grappling with the issue of how to fit it all in with a job, family and social life? Is it all too much to expect one person to deal with? Are employers prepared to make allowances? What is the longer term impact of such a juggling act on a councillor’s partner, children and friends?

These are big questions, which the commission is looking at and we would be very interested to hear your views, whether you are in this position yourself, or whether you have experienced the role of a councillor through a friend or family member. What sacrifices have to be made? Have you considered standing for council but were put off by practical considerations such as a lack of affordable childcare arrangements or the prospect of never seeing your partner? We would like to hear your views and experiences.
We’d like to hear too from people who have been councillors in the past or who are now continuing in the role: what sources of support have you found to help you manage your workload and keep a work-life balance?
Let me nail my colours to the mast: I think that councils can be organised in a way that provides sufficient support to all councillors, making it perfectly possible to combine being a councillor with demanding responsibilities at work and at home. But of course, you do need to have that support…

It’s a fascinating area and I’m sure you’ll have lots to say, so please sign up to the forum and let us have your views.
Thank you for taking part.

Dr Jane Roberts DBE
Chair

Question closing

Posted by Emma Hagan on 10/08/2007 - 16:45

Thank you to everyone for your comments so far, they've provoked some very interesting debate.

This question is due to close at the end of the day on Sunday 12th August and a new question will be launched on Monday 13th, so please be sure to get your final comments in!

All the best.

Emma

“Is it possible to be a councillor and have a life?”

Posted by vicarjim on 04/08/2007 - 13:52

Before I get to the subject matter.My comments are not meant to harm or show disrespect to the hundreds of councillors that work hard and do a really good job in difficult circumstances.
I am not a councillor and never put my name forward to be a councillor. I have strong feelings about councils and councillors.for example,councils should have no specific political control, what I mean is, we are all political animals but having a political party control a council is taking away the basic foundation of councils. They have to be served by local people and discuss local issues,without political control and not having to consider with what their bosses in whitehall think. Another reason is far to many people vote by party, when they should be voting, after considering if the person standing is or would be good councillor.Another example,The chairman of a committee should be elected each year based on their qualifcation to be chairman and not designated by whoever? then he/she could stand based on the results of their committee.Further examples of why I do not like the current situation. Our city have budgets of millions of pounds and we have people who sit as chairmen I am not politically correct so I will not use chair person of committees who work as cleaners/ doormen /gardeners (I know not everyone has those jobs)no experience at all how to deal
with budgets of that size or nature yet they make descisions????

“Is it possible to be a councillor and have a life?”

Posted by Dr Green on 31/07/2007 - 11:21

'If you want something done ask a busy person' they say! Generally the most successful councillors are people who already have lots of outside interests, and know how to manage a home/private life. However - I take issue with ReadingResident about reward. We have inherited a system from MPs down to Parish Councillors, where the only people who held any power were people of private means, landed or moneyed. Although we have come a long way I am convinced that until we break all the links with that priviledged past we will never have an inclusive and participative democracy.

To ascertain that if a job is worth doing we should do it for nothing is sheer lunacy! Why should we expect Great Britain plc to be run by amateurs?

I am not advocating fat cat salaries for councillors, but there are many able people who are so tied up with earning money to keep a roof over their head and bring up a family that without some support, will never feel that they can get involved.

I fear too that recent governments have 'passed too many bucks' to an over-stretched and weary voluntary sector, and it is starting to show.

Is it possible for Councillors to have a life?

Posted by Roger E Berry on 30/07/2007 - 08:53

Of course it is and We are better people for having a life outside the Council.
Nevertheless it is pretty difficult especially if you have family and/or work responsibilities.You need an understanding family and an understanding employer.
You also have to learn to pace yourself. You can't do everything, both for your constituents and for the Council. You have to learn to say No and fend things off.
It is a very difficult life nevertheless for those with a balance a very rewarding experience, I say so after nearly 30 years service on a District Council.
We need to learn to stand back; get involved in only a few specialist areas but try to do them well.
Payment has helped people but it imposes quite rightly expectations from the Council and from constituents.

life as a councillor

Posted by ibrookfield on 23/07/2007 - 23:41

wow what a subject to raise the hackles of 99% of the population > I hope my small contribution aids in any discussion and hopefully subsequent proposals.
I was until the 2nd of May a City Councillor and for the last ten years was fulfilling this role in a full time capacity.It continues to amaze me that some members also have paid employment as well as juggling a home life to boot.
For me and I should imagine for alot of elected members the whole issue of having a truly separate home/private life is an imaginary one. As well as participating in all aspects of the Council mainly during the day (but not exclusively by any means)
then the proper job of representing your Constituents comes to the fore, whether thats attending tenants,residents,neighbourhood watch,area police,community associations and a myriad of other meetings with not so grand titles or visiting individuals in their own home at a time of usually great distress to them.
Of course i failed to mention School Governing bodies and our own political meetings. Easy ,people say just dont go to them after all they are held on every weekday evening.Easy to say but impossible nay unforgivable to do especially if you wish to really help out your Community.
At least I have the weekends to myself(OOPS)
I forgot to mention the weekly surgery held at various locations around the ward or indeed the weekly roving surgery(down your way) as well as the usual plethora of other essential visits to the Rubbish action zones,jumble sales,school fetes etc oh and yes someone has to get out the newsletters to the 10,000 people on a monthly basis (40 hours a round)
Ah a quick couple of hours are blessed and sleep is like mana from heaven as long as the phone doesnt ring from people begging for help (Xmas morning at 4am will always be a story to tell my grandkids)
Not that I have any yet ,my own boys are now teenagers,I was a Councillor at 29 (now 41 ) My better half is also a Councillor,most of my friends are anoraks of the political type (dont worry we call ourselves that )
Sorry for the ramblings and I suppose that the moral of my musings are that everything possible should be done to help people enter a public service such as this as it has been the most rewarding,enjoyable,envigorating thing i have ever done.You really can wake up with a smile on your face and count your blessings
ps Money while a necessity was and never should be the reason to stand,The full time job i left 10 years ago (at my own request)was paying more then than i received during the last municipal year
1 secretarial support needs improving
2 Access to all areas of technical help(pc,s)
3 legislation to enable people working in the private sector to become a Cllr without detriment to their employment,position,salary,prospects etc
4 access to dedicated training in the event of not being re-elected and/or parachute payments
Thank you

Thank you

Posted by Emma Hagan on 20/07/2007 - 17:07

We’ve had some thought provoking comments so far.

It seems that not having the time to carry out the role of councillor is a significant barrier to standing and is a reason why some, as mentioned in maryboughton’s post, stand down.

Both HaringeyResident and ReadingResident have suggested that getting local people involved in local governance positions, in local public bodies and advisory groups, in order to share the load and avoid ‘councillors feel overwhelmed by board-fever’ could be a solution, with the added bonus of more local people being involved in local decision making.

The issue of money is obviously an important one, there are those that can’t afford to give their time, or incur any cost, in order to be a councillor when allowances aren’t paid (see Jo Barton Constable’s post) and this again is a barrier to standing.

However, there has also been the suggestion by ReadingResident that there should be ‘absolutely no money in politics’. What do people think of this suggestion? Would this be a further barrier to becoming a councillor or would it give constituents more confidence in the motivations of those who stand?

Agreement with response from Haringey Resident

Posted by ReadingResident on 20/07/2007 - 11:46

What has been said about some local councillors and perhaps even members of Parliament, I would agree with. Where there are political parties they often behave in a tribal way; selecting candidates without real consideration of whether those candidates have enough knowledge and commitment but on the basis of getting overall control. Once elected they are often able to shy away from the duties expected of them. This is both disingenuous to the political process and leaves a vacuum between elections in the communication process between Mr average and those elected. There should be absolutely no money in politics; some Councils' allowances amount to a comfy second income with no productivity element. Citizens' juries are a far more pertinent way of dealing with issues and only draws in people who have a fundamental interest.

Do councillors have a life..well better than a resident does

Posted by Haringey resident on 14/07/2007 - 11:28

The Govt should create public funds for a "jury service" type participation in public bodies and advisory groups. Too often the quangos are made up of the same local and national govt figures who are out of touch with their constituents feelings. and some councillors, as others have written, are on a lot of boards, and may be drawn into a party political bias that compromises their role as representatives of the borough residents especially when the "council" is in fact the body that is failing to deliver. Individual councillors feel overwhelmed by board-fever, well why not share the load with the people who want councillors to act on their behalf. I and many other "activists" are not given any funding or support for our numerous letters and emails that change the way our systems are delivered. If we had a "jury service" then we would get a. participation b. insight and c. remuneration. It could possibly also stop all those photo-shoots our councillors are in, which are about promoting their political acumen to the public.

Getting more involvement from busy people

Posted by JuLyon on 14/07/2007 - 11:16

I stood as an independent candidate in the May 2007 local elections. I wanted to be able to bring my business skills into use on behalf of the local community (without political affiliation) and make a real contribution.

Whilst I am busy in my working life, part of that 'busyness' helps me to be able to organise my time to devote blocks of time to issues outside my work life - I currently spend a lot of time spreading good business practice among my peer group for example.

The biggest problem with getting involved in local politics is that the system is not well-suited to independents like me. The ward I live in delivers three councillors from an electorate of about 7,000. The political parties have three candidates to share the campaigning cost and load. As an independent this was a huge burden and there must be a better way to ensure all of the available talents are able to give back to their communities.

Once involved, there may well be pressures on time. Most employers will support voluntary work of this kind and are keen to be involved in truly democratic processes. I believe there are rich seams of talent and enthusiasm that are simply not tapped by today's system.

Councillors' Allowances

Posted by Graham Russell on 12/07/2007 - 14:46

I chair a regional meeting of Chairs of Independent Panels on Members' Allowances - the last meeting was 6th July. There is some general concern that such panels have existed without any significant guidance from Government on valuing the roles of councillors.

The APPG Inquiry has pointed to national standards for remuneration and this would be welcomed. However, a real issue remains about addressing local circumstances and ways of working within any national framework e.g local levels of executive decision making by individual councillors. Currently, a standard level of basic allowance is awarded to all councillors but there may be very different levels of activity and commitment demonstrated within the same authority.

The move towards neighbourhood decision making will make the role of independent panels more difficult and makes clarity over the role, responsibilities and accountabilities of the local member even more relevant.

Panels also have to consider and make a judgement on (a) the family and employment impact for which there appears to be no criterion that they can apply to recompense for this and (b)non-financial aspects of member support that must form part of the overall equation.

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