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Commission on the role of local councillors

Welcome to our forum. We’re still getting a terrific response and the comments we have received are being fed into discussions at meetings of the Commission. Please keep them coming.

Our question this month is: “Should councillors be better paid, and why?”

All principal local authorities (Counties, districts, boroughs) must pay their members a basic allowance. Councils may, if they choose, pay allowances for special responsibilities, travel and subsistence, care for dependents, and co-optees. It is for local authorities to decide the levels of all the categories of allowance they pay. The Government publishes no guidance on this.

Basic allowance is paid at the same level for all members, which is intended to cover the time commitment of councillors and incidental costs such as the use of their homes. It is not related to the actual level of commitment by the councillor, other than that a member need only attend a meeting once every six months to remain qualified and thus eligible for basic allowance.

From your posts so far it is clear that the issue of money is an important one. Are you in full-time employment and would like to become a councillor, but can’t afford to give your time? As a full-time councillor, are you rewarded appropriately for the hours you put in? On the other hand, do you believe that ‘professionalising’ the role of councillor would demean the value of public service? Would it encourage people with the ‘wrong’ motivations to stand for election?

These are big questions, which the commission is looking at and we would be very interested to hear your views.
We’d like to hear too from people who have been councillors in the past: was money an issue? Would a different system of remuneration tempt you to throw your hat back in the ring?

It’s a fascinating area and I’m sure you’ll have lots to say, so please sign up to the forum and let us have your views.

Thank you for taking part.

Dr Jane Roberts DBE
Chair

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Updated 24/08/07

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Is pay the right issue???

Posted by John Radford on 16/08/2007 - 10:36

Pay for councillors is indeed a fascinating and provocative subject given the fact that effectively being a councillor is a hybrid between volunteering and work. On the one hand individuals put themselves forward for public service but at the same time are expected to meet stringent standards of ethical behaviour and their performance can be the subject of a level of scrutiny most workers would regard as intrusive.

In theory the question asked is irrelevant as councils can now pay their councillors (ie themselves) whatever they choose. Ultimately they pay reasonable sums because the issue is emotive and excessive payments (however defined) will generate legitimate public and media outcry. Councils have to have regard to an independent panel’s advice on allowance schemes and generally these have attempted to make some sort of objective assessment of the various “jobs” that councillors do – frequently recognising within this assessment that a significant part of the role is voluntary public service. Councillors suffer from a terrible stereotype – nearly always unjustified. Many of us will know many councillors and the vast majority of those commit to their various roles positively and generously, but when you think about how much to pay councillors think about what responsibilities they have. At one extreme we have Leaders or Mayors who will take decisions affecting the lives and life chances of hundreds of thousands of people. They are effectively the “bosses” of chief executives on six figure salaries and are nearly always full time politicians. They are also on what amounts to fixed term contracts – in the case of Leaders for just a year at a time. We expect these people to have extraordinary levels of competence and are generally rewarded with a “salary” of around £30-50,000 (around about 20p for every resident). Given the public service and political nature of the “job” that sounds about right – doesn’t it? Similar arguments apply to cabinet members.

Professional Councillors

Posted by Nemesis on 15/08/2007 - 13:41

Hi

Re: On the other hand, do you believe that ‘professionalising’ the role of councillor would demean the value of public service? Would it encourage people with the ‘wrong’ motivations to stand for election?

I believe that it should be paid on a professional basis. People should be paid for what they do and the results they achieve. As far as encouraging people with the ‘wrong’ motivations to stand for election? What motives would they be? Would they really be that much different from the motives that drove the current non professional councillors to stand for election?

Terry

Should be paid more?

Posted by Harrow Tenant on 13/08/2007 - 18:58

The majority of Councillors are hard working, the majority of councillors are politically led. There are a few independents out there. I do not believe that a councillor who represents a political party, can also represent the interests of people locally. I think the best system would be where local people are elected as councillors to represent their ward, and not to represent their party.

There are many organisations locally, such as Resident Associations and Resident Federations, who put in just as much time, meetings and committment as councillors, but receive zero payment and dare I say it zero recognition locally. Why should the Residents Association Committee Members receive no payment, while a ward councillor does? Why should the Officers of the Local Residents Federation receive no payment, or the Chair of the Resident Association / Federation receive no 'portfolio holder' allowance? while councillors get a nice little bonus for each committee they are on or portfolio they represent. When local authorities are in financial trouble and the local councillors vote themselves an increase in their allowances, while services are being cut, is this best practice or value for money? Most volunteers in the local community give their time freely, either by choice or
because there are no allowances for them, so why shouldnt local councillors?..especially those that have full time jobs anyway. How can you serve properly when you work 9-5 monday to friday, surely your not putting in the same amount of hours as a councillor that does not work (or a resident association chairman or committee member!) I guess my point is, that if your looking at paying elected people more, you should also look at now paying elected people, such as those that Represent Residents Associations and Resident Federations too, because they are all elected locally as well! How much should you pay, well that's a tough one. if you devote your full time to the role as a Councillor £20k a year is reasonable I would say, but then I would say that £20k a year is also reasonable to resident groups/committee members as well!

Welcome to our new question

Posted by Emma Hagan on 13/08/2007 - 17:07

Welcome to the discussion forum for the Commission on the role of local Councillors.

Our new question is “Should councillors be better paid, and why?” and we’re really keen to hear your views. If you’re in the job, new or experienced, if you’ve considered putting yourself forward or if you’ve never given it a second thought, if a family member, friend or employee is a councillor, we want hear what you think.

This is an important question and your contributions will be considered by the Commission as part of the evidence gathering process. You can find previous forum questions (which are now closed) and the responses to them here. For new users, the forum rules and a quick guide to posting to the forum can be found to the right of this post under the Forum tools.

Don’t forget that if you would like to contact the Commission about something outside of the topic of this forum you do this by email